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Full power Piccolo and Android 17 vs Imperfect Cell
Topic Started: Aug 14 2011, 03:22 PM (2,101 Views)
+ Pyrus Aug 14 2011, 07:54 PM Post #16
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Aug 14 2011, 07:24 PM
cell wasn't absorbing the people's ki. he was absorbing their bodies, and using the bio extract to increase his own body's performance. he would have gotten about the same power up from krillin as ssj2 gohan, because they are about the same size, and therefore he could get about the same biomass from them. if we assume that he was actually increasing his pl by 5 per human, than using the most popular range of numbers for this time period, he would only need to absorb 90,000,000 people to go from 0 to #17 and piccolo's 450,000,000. more likely, however, he increases his power by some small percentage every time he absorbs a certain amount of biomass.
I don't think that's true. 17 and 18 are about the size of regular adults yet Cell says only those 2 are strong enough for him to get to his perfect form.
I'd assume Cell's absorbing powers are the same as Dr Geros and 19's since he was made by the same person.

That's a bit different. He was specifically programmed to absorb #17 and #18, kind of like a puzzle. He just had the ability/luxury of absorbing other life forms as well.
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DBZ Earth has the same amount of people as our Earth, too.

Proof? If you look at the map it's not that big a place I doubt it houses oer 6 billion people

There's no real proof, but there's nothing to say that isn't the case either. I don't see why Toriyama would differ from a tangible amount of people.
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However you want to put it regular humans shouldn't give him that much of a boost

Lunar's post explains this.
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And I don't see how they were equal maybe in physical strength but in sheer power no Piccolo was far more powerful 17 had to fight him so he would lose his stamina to have a chance he never used energy attacks against Piccolo because Piccolo was better than him

Uh, what? Where does it state #17 was pulling a #18? Nowhere. He was fighting Piccolo with everything he had, just as Piccolo was fighting with everything he had. They were both fighting evenly. Neither showed an advantage over the other, unless you consider them fighting evenly advantageous.
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I don't take it as power = physical strength I'm talking about energy

Which Piccolo may have had a tiny bit more of, but it only kept him equal with #17. It didn't keep him ahead. Whatever advantage he had, it went quickly.
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Not sure about Light Grenade, not enough obviously I'd say Piccolo only had around 50% of his full power so it wouldn't have been as powerful as it could have been and it could just be a hax attack also

Even at full power, it wouldn't have hurt Cell.
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I rate Light Grenade as the same as Hellzone Grenade just obviously they are very different forms of attacks natural for 17 to be scared he wouldn't have known the blast radius but would know it had the power to destroy him

Well, yeah, he knew it could destroy him. That's why he was scared. That means Piccolo could have blown him to hell right from the start, but didn't for whatever reason.

Piccolo was #17's equal, give or take a tiny advantage either way (which amounts to practically nothing). #17 got murked in two hits. Even at full power, Piccolo would not have done anything to Cell. This is the same logic the Kid Boo supporters use to say that Super Boo couldn't have gotten a huge increase from absorbing South Kaioshin so he couldn't have been more powerful than Kid Boo. It's shown and stated he got stronger, a lot stronger, so I don't see what's to doubt.
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Nusu Aug 14 2011, 07:59 PM Post #17
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

17# was pretty much owned. And even if you say Kamicolo was exhausted, which he was, it wouldn't matter. Kamicolo struggled with 17#, while Seru simply beats him in some hits.

Both lose in a matter of seconds.

They aren't combining their power, so individually seen both wouldn't damage Seru.
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lunar2 Aug 14 2011, 08:48 PM Post #18
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cell wasn't absorbing the people's ki. he was absorbing their bodies, and using the bio extract to increase his own body's performance. he would have gotten about the same power up from krillin as ssj2 gohan, because they are about the same size, and therefore he could get about the same biomass from them. if we assume that he was actually increasing his pl by 5 per human, than using the most popular range of numbers for this time period, he would only need to absorb 90,000,000 people to go from 0 to #17 and piccolo's 450,000,000. more likely, however, he increases his power by some small percentage every time he absorbs a certain amount of biomass.
I don't think that's true. 17 and 18 are about the size of regular adults yet Cell says only those 2 are strong enough for him to get to his perfect form.
I'd assume Cell's absorbing powers are the same as Dr Geros and 19's since he was made by the same person.
17 and 18 have infinite reactors that cell can draw large amounts of energy from. that's why he had to absorb them differently than everyone else, because he needed them intact, while he just needed the biomass of everyone else.

edit: if it was just about power, he would have absorbed piccolo, as well, since piccolo was just as powerful as 17. instead he nearly killed piccolo and was going to kill tien, because they wouldn't have given him any significant boost at all.
Edited by lunar2, Aug 14 2011, 08:52 PM.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 15 2011, 02:23 AM Post #19
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Imperfect Cell is strong enough where he makes sure no one would have been able to surprise him with anything, and take too much damage from it.
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